Also the rules are MUCH different when you are a contractor to being a temp to being a "full time employee" labor laws vary state by state. Odesk - works this way you offer a job, pay the person per hour, job - you still pay them even if its the crappiest job on the planet. You have to "fire them" or do not give them any more hours. Trust me I have been in this spot - I wanted some research done, offered 5 hours. They delivered work I could have done in 5 mins on my iPhone while on the toilet, as they did.. and it wasnt even what I asked for. I can see both sides - but I understand paying for work - but I can understand not wanting to pay for wrong work (as long as its is really wrong/incorrect) - but there are scammers on both sides.
I don't think he's victim blaming. Any member of this forum is aware that there are NO measures in place and complaining AFTER something shitty has happened is not the way to handle things. This is something that should have been addressed BEFORE he started working. As is the case in the real world. If you go ahead and sign up for a job that you haven't done research on, who's to say you're going to get paid? But if you get an offer from a reputable company, you know you're going to get paid. SAME AS TURKING. I don't see it as the girl in the alley. I see the McDonald's customer asking for a hot coffee then suing when it's too hot.
Yep Athena- I don't agree Booty. If someone wants to take the time to do it- Then it's their option and it also doesn't hurt- In fact it helps- And the FBI does work with Interpol to catch people doing fraud. Like those people who send stupid fake emails about you won the lottery etc etc. You can report those to the FBI and they do find some of these people quite easily in other countries. so it does help a lot of people from getting scammed- I am not a big fan of our government but we do have some decent people in it- And reporting them to the FBI, Labor boards and Interpol for foreign ones...Is what stops scammers. Most of these guys are easily caught. One less idiot online and taking money from people is definitely not a bad thing. Because when you report things it is the beginning of change. You can still be a freelancer but they still owe you money. And again..the great thing here is there is proof you did work for them- And if it was the right job- Then the right people will look into it. Taking time to care and change things is never a bad thing. If you don't want to do it, thats your option and opinion. But I wouldn't discourage someone else who could help make things better and change policies on Amazon in the future. It is like Elance and that other one- The actually hold the funds from people requester a worker, or workers so that no worker can be scammed out of money after doing a job- Amazon could actually make more money if they took on something like that- Will they? I don't know- But they can certainly implement little things to be stricter with requesters like they do with workers- That would help a lot. Nothing stays the same. Kudos to Athena and Chuck.
Well essentially that is what you get, you doing work for a blind requester via the internet, if someone doesn't use the tool such as turkopticon, or use better judgement you're asking for it inevitably, there's always going to be someone with their hand out trying to steal from you one way or another, but continue your rally on the labor board and such.
Do you realise you just said "He's not victim blaming?" and then made a case for victim-blaming to support the claim that he's not victim blaming? LOL
I'm trying to help you guys out here while I wait for my new router. You guys act like this is all new business. If you're a member of a forum, have TO, or talk to anyone about mTurk, you were well aware of these issues way before anything happened and you chose not to take action. Instead of taking care of yourselves you expect Mommy & Daddy (aka the government) to step in when someone was mean to you. Stand the fuck up and fight for yourselves -- don't work for requesters you don't trust, or don't complain afterward! Simple shit yo!
I'm saying... if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen. If you play with fire expect to get burned. And yeah if you dress like a hooker in an alley you better have a can of mace and some karate lessons under your belt. Stop expecting the world to change for you and instead worry about what you can do to protect yourself.
BTW, if Amazon steps in and starts doing more to protect the workers, who do you think is going to pay for it? I doubt requesters would be willing to chip in any more. Your paychecks will suffer. Chew on that for awhile.
Some arguments make me sick. This isn't one of them, but the alley/girl one is. I wish people would stop using it. Anyways. You had your own damned suspicions before you started. You knew this was a possibility. You're a smarty, chuck - I've read your posts. But you're also the type (like many others here) that will ALLOW YOURSELF TO BE THE VICTIM AND THEN BE PISSED. "This guy looks like he might be a pickpocket. I wonder? Well, you know...he's probably not. I'll stand next to him on this subway platform." Ten minutes later, "Where the fekk's my wallet? Can you believe that guy!" I've had plenty of shit happen to me at places of work - lots of it wasn't legal but I sure as fekk wasn't going to the cops or lawyers. I let them know what I knew was wrong, wrote to management (except when it was an owner), and got myself another job. Move on, don't let fekkers ruin your day. Don't ruin someone else's day. Make others aware of the situation and hopefully everyone learns something. There will always be criminals. Enlightening the masses to the scams will lower the accomplishment rates of the thieves.
Or have a completely opposite affect and them say you know what to implement certain changes aren't worth it for us at Amazon, then what would there to be whine about?
Taking care of yourselves? Yeah they aren't Mommy and Daddy, they are agencies we pay taxes too, to setup those orgs to help workers- And our taxes pay their salaries- Well I am not a selfish person- I would stand up for others and not just protect myself only. So someone complaining about a requester or trying to change things benefits all of us- Its too bad if some don't like it. This guy or anyone can do what they want- Those orgs and agencies are there for a reason, and this is one of them. This is getting really nasty and no woman deserves to be raped no matter how she dresses. That is the mans fault and frankly in this case- It was a new requester and it is that requester's fault. Everyone deserves to be paid when they work- and we ALL have gotten rejections from new requesters or even some old favorites who have turned etc- No matter where it comes from- If the work was done right- Then the person deserves to be paid. Period. And it is OK to make a better Amazon. If you don't like someone trying to change it- Oh well. They have the right too. So quit picking on them and turning it nasty. If they have a legitamate issue- It is great they are using the proper channels. And it is really disturbing however how some have acted on this thread towards someone who was very polite, respectful and just sharing his opinion. And he did do the work right. It is his right to use the orgs and agencies our taxes pay for to change things like this and report them. If you want to be every man for yourself, go ahead. I will never be like that and no one else has to be. But don't sit there and verbally abuse and bully someone saying they are expecting "Mommy and Daddy, the government" to step in and all the other crappy things that have been said in this thread. Bullying shouldn't be happening from grown adults to other adults. You don't have to agree with someone in order to be respectful.
I will never, ever understand the fetish some people have for licking the boots of oligarchs and criminals.
HAHAHA! Love it. Me either. Just like TN. I swear Chris sounds like one of the scammy requesters who cheats people and lies...and schemes..and steals. And tries to scream at everyone until they recoil into submission and do what he wants. Won't work Chris. TN would love you :/ Ha!
I am amazed at the naivety of seemingly intelligent adults. I am admitting to being a hardened, straight-up biatch when people believe the government and agencies are the answer to the problems instead of the cause. Pessimistic, greedy, and of the true believe that people start out as good. I also try to help people - but there are things some will never agree on - and helping doesn't have the same meaning for everyone.
I sound like a scammy requester but if you actually read my post I try to tell this guy how to effectively prevent this from happening as least as possible, instead of doing a long drawn out process that will likely get absolutely no results. I'll state "im a worker not a requester" and I've helped many people on this forum such as your rally friend athena, so reread my post twice if it needs to sink in.
Your argument doesn't hold water. I do take steps to protect myself. I use and contribute to Turkopticon.* I read and post here. I practice what I've styled as "Defensive Turking", which is making sure that an untrusted requester, such as CrowdServer was, can't do too much damage to me with a mass rejection. (5 rejections knocked my rating down by 0.1%, and I still have a 99%+ approval rating.) To use your example, rather than sidling up to a shifty guy on a subway platform and having my pocket picked, I had my front pocket sliced open with a razor blade by a reasonably clean-cut looking fellow in a polo shirt who stole my wallet when it fell out**. To further extend your example, on the subway system where I live, they have Metro Cops whose job it is to arrest bad guys when they do stuff like pick pockets. Amazon doesn't have any cops that will listen when I shout "thief", and in fact deliberately stuffs their fingers in their ears and sings "la la la" so they can't hear me, which is what the whole "we don't involve ourselves in worker-requester disputes" schtick boils down to. *If you check the Turkopticon rating for CrowdServer, my rating of them is the first one, and you'll note that I gave them a 5 for promptness, because at least they were quick about screwing me over. **I carry my wallet in my front pocket rather than my back, and have done so for a number of years.